The Romans and the Picts

[George Donaldson]

As a result of years of reseach, it is my conclusion that the Picts were once Roman collaboraters who transported the defeated tribes of Gaul to Scotland after the Gallic wars. They would have originally been a section of the Pictones of western France who are recorded as Roman collaboraters, they would have ,with the help of private Roman finance, come to Scotland to settle the land for the purpose of growing grain to be sold in the Roman markets. It is my belief that what has been described as marching camps, are in fact slave camps,places where the slaves of the Romanopicts were brought to, their task would have been to clear standing timber and get the land into shape for the growing of cereals, The collaboration would have broken down at the time of Nero for the same reasons that caused the Boudica uprising. Because of the logistic problems of campaigning so far from the source of their supplies, the Romans never mannaged to bring the Picts back under their control.

I would like to hear what the experts think of my theory.

[Our Scotland (Sean Whittaker)]

I'm no expert but it sounds about right to me.

[Ross Kilpatrick]

George good case put forward.It is obvious that the PICTS didnt evolve in Scotland.They had to have come from elsewhere.

I have had my DNA tested twice and its E1b1b1a2 which is very rare in Britain/Scotland.

E1b1b1a2 is heavily concentrated in the geographical area where the ancient Thracians once lived.

One theory is that the Romans took Thracians as soldiers to Britain and this is on record.

However I have been looking at another theory that the Picts were also Thracians.

Hope to hear from you.

 

[George Donaldson]

Ross, it would be my belief that like yourself, many Scottish people must have ancient Asian and European DNA in their blood.  There could be many explanations as to how this came to be, but I always look for the most plausible theory. The idea that Thracian cohorts could have linger long enough in Scotland to leave DNA that can still be traced in people today I would think has a very slim chance of being the answer to your origins. What I would suggest is that Thracians were brought directly to Scotland as slaves after defeats in conflicts with the Romans, or perhaps there was Thracian DNA in some of the European Celts who could also have been brought to Scotland as slaves by the Romans.    

[Brett Kerry Johnson]

Hi,  I am also E1b1b1a2 or V 13.  Genetic genealogist S. Bird has written a great work on this theory.  My Johnsons were the same group as former US president LBJ that lived on the Scots border area.  The most likely theory is that our Y line descended from Thracian troops stationed on Hadrian's Wall.  There is ample evidence of Thracians being on the wall.

 

 

[Brett Kerry Johnson]

Also, I believe that there were Thracian and Dacian cohorts in and out of the area of Hadrian's Wall for a period of about 300 years.  I think this would be ample time for some of them to leave some offspring. 

[Ross Kilpatrick]

Brett greetings good to hear from another V13 cousin.There is evidence also that the 2nd Cohorts of Thracians were stationed on the Antoine Wall which covered West Kilpatrick.Its most probable that my ancestors stayed here and became Kilpatricks then Colquhouns and Calhouns. John Caldwell Calhoun Vice President of USA is from same family and DNA group.

Cheers

Ross Kilpatrick

Australia

[Brett Kerry Johnson]

Hi Ross,  You may already have checked this out, but if not, read Steven Bird's work on this subject.  Conversing via email with Mr. Bird has been a great source of knowlege for me.  Also, the Double Helix website is a great place to go for information on V 13.  Have a great day,

 

[Ross Kilpatrick]

Yes Brett II have read Steven Birds Thracian report fantastic lots of people with our V13 have no idea about this report so we should put it out to them.

I look at the double helix site also.

Thanks

Ross